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Post by vigbrastle on Mar 13, 2011 4:09:58 GMT -5
Exactly, earthquakes are unpredictable,so therefore it should have been designed to withstand the biggest earthquake recorded!
If it's not possible to do so then it shouldn't have been built
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Post by Madiba127 on Mar 13, 2011 4:18:27 GMT -5
Exactly, earthquakes are unpredictable,so therefore it should have been designed to withstand the biggest earthquake recorded! If it's not possible to do so then it shouldn't have been built the problem was that the reactor did shut down as it was meant to but the secondary system also failed and that is what caused the whole uncontrolled heating in the reactor core, what also helps if the media would stop blowing it way out of proportion, also they are saying the death toll could be in the tens of thousands from the tsunami  |
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Post by vigbrastle on Mar 13, 2011 6:01:15 GMT -5
Exactly, earthquakes are unpredictable,so therefore it should have been designed to withstand the biggest earthquake recorded! If it's not possible to do so then it shouldn't have been built what also helps if the media would stop blowing it way out of proportion, True , The media are good at doing that it's so sad the death toll could be that high. The Japanese people in general are so nice and respecting, They have a great culture and certainly did not deserve this |
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Post by Coffee Mix-Master on Mar 13, 2011 10:33:56 GMT -5
You want douchebaggery, need not go much further than facebook: cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/pearlharborjapan.jpgIn regards to the reactor, it does have backup systems and when the earthquake it it automatically SCRAMed the reactor, dumped the rods and when the coolant system failed it engaged the backup diesel pumps. About one hour later when the tsunami came ashore, it smashed the backup generators and that's when the solids hit the fan. As it stands, it's all rather dangerous over there, but the chances of food supplies being contaminated are rather low, as it stands if there is a meltdown and a release of radiation then it will all blow out into the Pacific because the current wind is a westerly and the prevailing winds in Japan are out to the Pacific...however those winds also lead straight to the west coast of the US (which is why in WWII the Japanese tried to start fires in the US by sending over balloons with incendiary bombs along the jet stream [see Fu-Go]), so it's possible some radiation will make it over there...but there's no need to panic because the effects will be minimal. It's possible that milk and crops will need to be destroyed but not very likely. When Chernobyl went up in '86 the radiation cloud drifted over the UK and there was a lot of alarm and the disposal of milk from the cows on Welsh hillsides, but no-one died, well...no-one obviously died from it, it might have knocked the cancer rate up a little bit but there's so many things these days that can supposedly cause cancer that it would be impossible to tell. The earthquake has now been upgraded from an 8.8 to a 9.0 which puts it almost on a level with the 2004 earthquake which caused the Boxing Day tsunami. To get an idea of the tsunamis power: www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181312  I've heard a bit that the earthquake also caused Japan to drop by about 70cm or so or at least some coastal areas, which made the tsunami even higher. The death toll is officially at about 1300+, I reckon it will top 10k at the very least before this is all over. It has been announced as the worst hardship to hit Japan since World War II. In a more cynical aspect, Colonel Gadaffi must be rubbing his hands in glee, his forces are now back on the offensive and all the worlds eyes are now on Japan. |
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Post by Coffee Mix-Master on Mar 13, 2011 14:45:14 GMT -5
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Post by Daft Punksworth on Mar 13, 2011 15:58:45 GMT -5
@vig - Even if they did build it to the highest possible standards, there's always something that can fuck it up. Combo earthquake and tsumani for example. Even when they build to such high standards a large earthquake could move differently than what they planned for. That is, after all, what happened in Kobe Japan in 1995, two earthquakes that were minimal managed to cross frequencies in that city and that was enough to sheer bolts on the freeway, which caused it to collapse, or crack the pilons that made it fall over. Even if you get it prepared for one disaster, another could be the weakness. The traditional japanese houses were made for typhoons but proved to be a deathtrap in Kobe's quake, hence the high death toll. (Saw a SFD on that recently so it's first on mind.)
My point being, stop calling humans fucktards when they DID everything right and Nature decided to rape them with a one two punch. It's not their fault for once, wrack off.
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Post by Blaze on Mar 13, 2011 17:32:19 GMT -5
If you don't like Vig's opinions, you can always just ignore them. It's not really fair to yell at him just because he thinks differently than you do. I don't agree with him either, but I'm not going to tell him to go shove off just because I disagree  @electric: Those slider images are insane. Just WOW O___O |
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Post by Daft Punksworth on Mar 13, 2011 18:11:43 GMT -5
So you think that it's okay to accuse the Japanese of being stupid death-bringers that are going to kill us all with their negligence despite the fact they did everything right and even now are destroying their own reactors in an attempt to keep the environment clean?
Sorry, but I don't think it's right to call humans stupid and neglectful when they're doing everything they can to fix the problem that nature started.
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Post by La Volpe on Mar 13, 2011 18:16:44 GMT -5
Those slider things are holy crap o.O (They even did this for QLD's flood). So clear how bad this tsunami was.... ._.
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Post by GhostLiger on Mar 13, 2011 18:59:48 GMT -5
Okay guys, let's try and cool it.
Basically the reason Vig's comment has caused upset, is because he is suggesting that Japan are responsible for the reactor explosion due to not having fail safes in place against Earthquakes. What he didn't take into account before voicing this opinion was that Earthquakes are common in Japan, so they would not be that reckless, especially considering how well Tokyo withstood it.
Note also Electric's comment. Had it have just been the Earthquake, then there would have been no problem. It was the fact that the tsunami was so high and strong, it just completely breached the tsunami defenses and wiped out the secondary systems.
Yes Vig has a right to have the opinion he has-everyone has a right to an opinion-but that doesn't change the fact that this is a disaster that Japan could not possibly have prepared itself for
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Post by Daft Punksworth on Mar 13, 2011 19:04:46 GMT -5
Ghostie, you have won one thousand, three hundred, thirty seven coolpoints for hitting the nail on the head.
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Post by Blaze on Mar 13, 2011 19:11:43 GMT -5
So you think that it's okay to accuse the Japanese of being stupid death-bringers that are going to kill us all with their negligence despite the fact they did everything right and even now are destroying their own reactors in an attempt to keep the environment clean? Obviously not since I wrote "I don't agree with him either" XD |
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Post by Daft Punksworth on Mar 13, 2011 19:27:57 GMT -5
Well if everyone is entitled to their opinion, then I am also of the opinion that if you didn't like my opinion on Vig, you could've just ignored it. Why didn't you? Because you saw my opinion as wrong.
Why did I address his opinion? It was wrong. The humans weren't to blame this time.
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Post by GhostLiger on Mar 13, 2011 19:35:34 GMT -5
Okay, stop now. The point has been established. To continue beyond this would be tasteless, given the subject of the thread. Let's everyone take a deep breath and count to 10, before I lock this thread.
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Post by Coffee Mix-Master on Mar 14, 2011 9:34:33 GMT -5
Number three reactor building has now also exploded under the same circumstances as number one, neither has a damaged reactor casing at this point. To those worrying about the radiation (including Finland of all places, where apparently the news of the radiation leak in Japan has caused a run on Iodine tablets  ) here is a nice little bit of info from the chaps at Information Dissemination: |
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